Yo no se lo que se le exigio a Harpoon cuando salio, ni lo que se le deberia exigir a CMANO. Se, que el producto se vende por 70+ euros, y NO esta acabado. La entrega y disposicion del equipo de desarroladores es encomiable, no lo dudo, pero venden un producto que no esta terminado a precio de wargame top 10.

Pues es en eso discrepamos...
El producto, como demuestran los betatesters y el hecho de que lo estemos disfrutando, está acabado, simplemente (posiblemente debido a la dimensión y a otros requerimientos comerciales...) no esta todo lo refinado que algunos quisieran.

En cualquier caso, en cuanto a los requerimientos del Harpoon original... vamos a dejarlo,porque eso de internet estaba en pañales (donde estaba) y nadie podia publicar un comentario/critica/parche de forma que pudiera estar a la disposición de la mayoria del público el mismo mes (ya no digo ni semana ni día...).
Las 'reviews' se publicaban en revistas de periodicidad semanal y/o mensual y ya no te cuento para poner una crítica (la publicidad la pagaban los mismos juegos)

En fin... el dinosaurio vuelve a su cueva un ratito...

Nuevo escenario para descargar en el foro de Matrix del forero Elouda

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.as ... =&#3428167

Lo acabo de jugar y es muy divertido, a pesar de que la AI me ha pateado el culo, en un descuido se me han colado unos Fitter y me ha destrozado al Kitty Hawk. El escenario transcurre en Korea 1878.

United States vs. North Korea

Date/Time: 28th September, 1978 / 01:30:00 Zulu
Location: Sea of Japan, off the coast of Korea
Playable Sides: United States

Introduction

The scenario depicts a fictional attack up the North Korean east coast during a hypothetical Second Korean War. The United States naval and air forces are to strike a variery off targets on the coast, including SAM sites, coastal batteries, ground forces and the naval and air bases at Wonsan.



Orders for Cmdr US Forces

Situation
Your task is to neutralise enemy forces along the eastern Korean coast, while minimizing allied losses. Four key targets have been pre-designated, but you are free to engage all targets of opportunity.

Enemy Forces
Enemy is believed to consist of a variety of forces.
Naval forces operating out of Wonsan include a squadron of missile fast attack craft and a pair of gunboasts. There are also reports of a possible submarine in the area.
Air forces are based out of Wonsan airbase, operating a mix of Mig-17, Mig-21 and Su-7 aircraft. Total strength is estimated at 50-60 aircraft.
Ground forces include a multitude of 130mm, 57mm and 23mm AAA along with SA-2 and SA-5 SAM's. The enemy is also operating a pair of HY-1 Silkworm SSM batteries off the coast of Wonsan, along several mobile coastal artillery units.

Friendly Forces
Allied forces consist of two battlegroups, one centered on the USS Kitty Hawk, the second on the USS Iowa.
Air support is available from a FARP located at Sokcho.
An allied submarine is operating in the area.

Mission
Engage and destroy North Korean forces along the coast. Minimize friendly losses.

Execution
At your discretion.


Command & Signal



Command: USS Kitty Hawk

Signal: EMCON State C, unrestricted emissions

ROE: Weapons free.




Un extracto del log donde se ve el ataque al portaviones.

28/09/1978 2:26:02: Event: 'US CV Lost (-100 points)' has been fired.

28/09/1978 2:26:02: CV 63 Kitty Hawk is sinking!!!

28/09/1978 2:26:02: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has fires raging out of control and is disintegrating!!!

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Open Parking (16x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk is being hit by an underwater explosion at 1 meters!

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Open Parking (16x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered blast damage: 0,1 DPs

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SPG-55B [Mk76 Mod 8 FCS] has been lightly damaged.

28/09/1978 2:26:00: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered fragmentation damage: 0,7 DPs

28/09/1978 2:26:00: Weapon: 30mm NR-30 x 2 Burst [20 rnds] has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 113m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: WARNING: CV 63 Kitty Hawk is risking uncontrollable fires!

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered weapon damage: 175,4 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:59: 39% penetration achieved

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon: FAB-500M-54 GPB has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has a severe fire.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered weapon damage: 207,6 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:59: 47% penetration achieved

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon: FAB-500M-54 GPB has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 113m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 132m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 117m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 129m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 115m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 29m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) has malfunctioned.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 104m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 117m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Mk33 RBOC has been destroyed!

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SPS-40A has been destroyed!

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Elevator (2x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been destroyed!

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered weapon damage: 223,6 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:59: 51% penetration achieved

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon: FAB-500M-54 GPB has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 92m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon (FAB-500M-54 GPB) missed CV 63 Kitty Hawk by 102m

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has severe flooding.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has a major fire.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Open Parking (16x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SPG-55B [Mk76 Mod 8 FCS] has been destroyed!

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SPN-35A has been moderately damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:59: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered weapon damage: 219,6 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:59: 50% penetration achieved

28/09/1978 2:25:59: Weapon: FAB-500M-54 GPB has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Weapon (30mm NR-30 x 2 Burst [20 rnds]) has malfunctioned.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Elevator (2x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered blast damage: 0,1 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk is being hit by an underwater explosion at 1 meters!

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered blast damage: 0,5 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Aircraft Carrier Arresting Gear (1x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been lightly damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered fragmentation damage: 0,7 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Weapon: 30mm NR-30 x 2 Burst [20 rnds] has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered blast damage: 0,1 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk is being hit by an underwater explosion at 1 meters!

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered blast damage: 0,5 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Mk10 Mod 0 Twin Rail has been lightly damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SLQ-17 [ECM] has been moderately damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: AN/SPN-35A has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Mk10 Mod 0 Twin Rail has been moderately damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk damage report: Open Parking (16x Large Aircraft (18.1-26m Long)) has been heavily damaged.

28/09/1978 2:25:58: CV 63 Kitty Hawk has suffered fragmentation damage: 0,7 DPs

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Weapon: 30mm NR-30 x 2 Burst [20 rnds] has impacted CV 63 Kitty Hawk

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Contact: Attack #115 has been classified as: Su-7BMK Fitter A - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 1 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Contact: Attack #116 has been classified as: Su-7BMK Fitter A - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 1 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Contact: Attack #114 has been classified as: Su-7BMK Fitter A - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 1 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:58: Contact: Attack #113 has been classified as: Su-7BMK Fitter A - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 1 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:57: Contact: Attack #115 was observed attacking a friendly unit and is now considered as hostile!

28/09/1978 2:25:57: Contact: Attack #116 was observed attacking a friendly unit and is now considered as hostile!

28/09/1978 2:25:57: Contact: Attack #114 was observed attacking a friendly unit and is now considered as hostile!

28/09/1978 2:25:57: Contact: Attack #113 was observed attacking a friendly unit and is now considered as hostile!

28/09/1978 2:25:49: Contact: BOGEY #115 has been type-classified as: Attack (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 3,3 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:49: Contact: BOGEY #116 has been type-classified as: Attack (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 3,3 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:49: Contact: BOGEY #114 has been type-classified as: Attack (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 3,3 nm)

28/09/1978 2:25:49: Contact: BOGEY #113 has been type-classified as: Attack (Classification by Sensor: Mk1 Eyeball at 3,3 nm)

aristoteles escribió:Yo no se lo que se le exigio a Harpoon cuando salio, ni lo que se le deberia exigir a CMANO. Se, que el producto se vende por 70+ euros, y NO esta acabado. La entrega y disposicion del equipo de desarroladores es encomiable, no lo dudo, pero venden un producto que no esta terminado a precio de wargame top 10.

No, el juego está totalmente acabado y es jugable al 100%, la mayoría de las críticas se basan es que es demasiado arcano para el jugador generalista ... cuando ya se sabía que este era un juego para un nicho muy especializado...

El juego puede gustar o no, se le pueden pedir mas mejoras y refinamientos del sistema, pero decir que el juego no esta acabado no me parece justo, y por lo menos en mi ordenador es tremendamente estable, ni una caída ni ningún problema y eso no se puede decir de todos los juegos recién sacados.

Las criticas pueden ir por otro lado, pero no creo que se pueda decir del CMANO que es un juego sin acabar.

También es cierto que no es un juego para todo el mundo, como tampoco era un juego para todo el mundo el Harpoon.

No saqueis conclusiones apresuradas, el juego está acabado, es perfectamente jugable y estable, lo que se está pidiendo es mayor nivel de detalle en creación de waypoints así como en el control y edición de las misiones IA. Los desarrolladores están permanentemente atentos a las demandas de la comunidad y responden a toda velocidad, es evidente que son conscientes de tener en sus manos un juego que marcará un nuevo estandar en su clase.

Este juego va a borrar a Harpoon de la faz de la tierra, tiene potencial de sobra para hacerlo, nada más salir ya es palpable, y eso se nota en la confianza que muestran los creadores en el foro.


pd. os lo dice uno que no simpatiza con Matrix y sus precios precisamente.

Nuevo beta-parche disponible (seguramente será el parche que saldrá en los próximos días)


Download from here: http://www.warfaresims.com/RC/UpdatePack_B440.zip

Unzip to the main Command folder. Answer "yes" to any overwrite requests.

This pack is cumulative; it includes both previous v1.01 RCs. The release notes below cover only items that have changed since RC2. For the full release notes see RC1 (Build 438) and RC2 (Build 439).

If nothing show-stopping pops up, this will probably constitute the final v1.01 codebase. So please everyone give this a try. We took great pains to address the currently most urgent issues (e.g. air-dropped weapon envelope problems) as well as provide features and fixes for players who have asked them.

RC3 Release notes

Fixed:
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- 0005675: Repetative BDA Reports
- 0005734: Assorted tutorials issues
- 0005556: [427] SEAD patrol kirks
- 0005121: It should not be possible to arm/take off aircraft with maintenance/unavailable loadouts
- 0005698: Kilter misses by stupid amount
- 0005730: [438] Weird Shrike Behavior
- 0005069: Shrike ARM misses by several kilometers
- 0005699: Maria and Victoria Again
- 0005672: Mixed Shrike and CBU Issue
- 0005750: A-7 CBU-59 an Shrike Loadout a bad match
- 0005735: Excessive dive rates for subs & aircraft
- 0004279: IRIAF F-14 update
- 0005560: DB3k Update: Combat Aircraft Mag Article on Iranian F-14's

* Aircraft now drop their ordnance much more reliably without manual control (we'd love to boast "100% reliably" but that's just an invitation for an edge case to pop up and throw egg on our face).

* Helmet-mounted sights (HMS) are now taken into account when deciding how much off-boresight an aircraft can shoot an AAM.

* Aircraft & submarines have more realistic dive rates.

* Includes the v395 versions of DB3000 and CWDB. Some of the changes include:
- CH-47F Chinook -- Australia (Army), 2015, 7x
- LHD 01 Canberra [Juan Carlos Class] -- Australia (Navy), 2017, 4x LCM-1E
- LCM-1E -- Australia (Navy), 2015, 12x
- LCM-8 -- Australia (Navy), 1967, 11x
- L 100 Choules [Bay Class] -- Australia (Navy), 2013, Ex-Largs Bay, 1x LCM-8, 2x LCVP, No LCM-1E
- Combined ARM/CBU loadouts have new mission profiles, using Hi-Lo-Hi instead of Hi-Med-Hi.
- SUU-23 gun pods in A/G loadouts on F-4C/D
- SUU-23 loadouts on RAF Phantoms

Acabo de leer de un forero de CMANO en Matrix un truco para incrementar el tamaño de la fuente de la letra del log (solo aplicable cuando se utilizar ventana de log aparte).

Se selecciona Crtl+A, y luego Crtl más tecla + tantas veces como queramos para ir incrementando el tamaño.

No había jugado al Harpoon, pero solo con el primer tutorial ya me he quedado
Eso sí, o aprendo lo que es cada acrónimo y cada opción en el diseño de misiones o los VAMPIRES me van a dar por ahí

Bueno, ya lo tengo, y siento esa extraña sensación que tuve con CMBO hace taaantos años, de que algo GRANDE se cuece,...no se explicarlo, pero me da a mi que esto va a ser la pera,...

Schwarz escribió:No había jugado al Harpoon, pero solo con el primer tutorial ya me he quedado
Eso sí, o aprendo lo que es cada acrónimo y cada opción en el diseño de misiones o los VAMPIRES me van a dar por ahí

Puedes empezar por aquí:
http://nsa.nato.int/nsa/zPublic/ap/aap6/AAP-6.pdf

Hala! toma frikada, 436 paginas de PDF nada mas empezar!!!

aristoteles escribió:Hala! toma frikada, 436 paginas de PDF nada mas empezar!!!

en realidad son 218 ya que todas las definiciones están duplicadas en francés e inglés ...

Joer, pues no sé que ma pasao!!! pero me he pillao el juego este con lo carisimo que es y lo complicado que creo que es, pero es que sois mu jodios, uno se pone a leer lo que decis y me ha parecido que puede ser "ER JUEGO"
No tengo ninguna experiencia con este tipo de juegos y mi ingles es cero, pero ya he visto que habeis puesto algún tipo de tutorial y con el traductor de Google, bueno.... y con la cabezonería de uno, espero disfrutarlo por que me parece con muchas posibilidades.

POR FAVOR !!!!!!!! ir poniendo cositas para los que nos interesamos pero somos cazurros y negaos del ingles.

Buffffffffffff, ande me metio !!!!!!!!!!

Saludos

Bienvenidos al mundo CMANO, aparte de los diferentes hilos que hay aquí, que ayudan un poco (como los tutoriales, trucos, AARs,etc) teneis disponible un grupo que está en fase inicial

http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/CMANO_Hispano/