CMANO: Command Air/Naval Operations

[Iosef]

Si, cualquier plataforma puede ser modificada solo y exclusivamente para un escenario. Si pisar la DB.

Ya que Dimitris menciona los datalinks. como simula el juego que un bando no los posea en todas sus unidades y el otro si. Hay retardo en el envío de información?? O que alguna info no llegue??

No es lo mismo tener un avión AEW con datalink 16 que un Sh-3 AEW comunicando contactos radar por radio??

[Blas de Lezo]

Iosef te copio-pego la respuesta que me dio Dimitris en otro hilo:

Hello,


Blas de Lezo escribió:
I would like yo to explain more about a feature in your proyect (almost reallity now) that is fascinating me: the implementation of OODA loops and the AI being slower reaction-wise as long as its sensors and comunication are degraded...



Our current OODA implementation is on per-unit reaction times. Typically this applies for the fastest-reacting main defensive weapon on a platform (e.g the SAM system on a ship). The value is unique per platform variant, so an early version of ship may have a large OODA value while a later modernized version will have a much smaller value (a good example is the modernised Kortenaer-class frigates of the Hellenic Navy, with their brand-new integrated combat system).

In adding this feature, we were primarily concerned with a unit's ability to react to surprise threats. For example in legacy games if you had a submarine get close to a ship and attack it with sub-launched missiles you had no benefit of surprise because the ship's defensive systems reacted instantly. With the OODA feature the ship will need a few seconds to react, which can make all the difference between life and death. Another example is when an aircraft (previously hidden by terrain cover, stealth or jamming) suddenly appears in the midst of your friendly assets; with proper OODA delays that single aircraft has a few precious seconds at which it can do great damage to you before your defences react. So essentially we are bringing back the importance of tactical surprise.

Note that some systems are designed specifically for fast reaction against sudden threats; for example most CIWS systems and decoy launchers etc. These systems bypass the OODA delay and can function immediately against the fresh threat.


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If I haven´t get it all wrong, this means thant neither the AI or the human player will continue to be like an all powefull god, always knowing whats going on and having the full picture of the situation, doesn´t it?... what I mean is that in previous games, degrading comunications or even destroying C3I facilities wasn´t really worth it, the player continued to have a complete picture available, he still was "seeing" everithing his units was reporting and he was able to give new orders to those units... but somehow this won´t e the case in Command, am I right?



You are essentially describing friendly-side fog-of-war and friction. We have not yet implemented this in Command; communications between friendly forces are always assumed to be reliable and instantaneous (although with the OODA delay factor, instant information sharing does not equal instant reaction!). Communications can only be disrupted between a platform and any guided weapons that it is providing guidance for, for example if you destroy an aircraft which is guiding a datalinked stand-off missile then the missile will have to find another unit to guide it or go autonomous (or self-destruct, depending on its guidance mode).

You can, however, model the degradation of a multi-layered IADS by implementing multiple sides for the system and have the subordinate units lose communication to each other when the main comm nodes, belonging to a separate side, get destroyed. This is effectively the "Desert Storm IADS story". You will probably see an example of this on a scenario that is currently under construction and looks likely to be included on the v1 release.

Thanks!

La implementación de OODA es una gran noticia y abre las puertas para introducir ciertos factores que simulen el nivel de entranamiento...

En cuanto al FOW amigo... es muy dificil... seguro que técnicamente se puede hacer, pero ¿va a tener salida un juego en el que desde que le das al play vas a perder el control efectivo de la mayoria de tus unidades (de las que en muchos caos no tendrías ni información de posición)?

[lecrop]

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En cuanto al FOW amigo... es muy dificil... seguro que técnicamente se puede hacer, pero ¿va a tener salida un juego en el que desde que le das al play vas a perder el control efectivo de la mayoria de tus unidades (de las que en muchos caos no tendrías ni información de posición)?

Ta y como comenta Blas de Lezo, ese era el caso de los subs en el Harpoon 3. Si jugabas a nivel de realismo total en cuanto el sub se sumergía no volvías a saber nada de él hasta el final del escenario. Por tanto, y a nivel práctico, resulta que, menos el hecho de haberle encomendado una misión, quien jugaba con el sub era la IA. Muy realista pero ¿qué gracia tenía eso?

[Iosef]

Build 406
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* Major speed improvements in "heavy" scenarios with lots of sensor interactions (e.g. Shamal, Down Town).

* The actual, altitude-dependent downrange of air-launched unguided anti-surface weapons is now reflected on the ASuW range-ring. So as an aircraft climbs higher you will see the ring expand (it can shoot further with the gun or rockets, or loft/toss an unguided bomb) or conversely shrink when the aircraft goes low.

* The LOS algorithm for surface-to-surface detections now also takes into account target height (distinct from altitude) dimesions, thus producing extended detection ranges depending on target size.

* Includes the DB3000 v388 & CWDB v388.

* Includes updated versions of all existing production scenarios.

* Includes a new DB3000 scenario by Ragnar: "The Tiger and the Dragon" (China-India carrier groups battle!).


Esto cada vez mejora mas y mas...

[lolopedo]

¿Para que sirven en el juego los satelites?, ¿el pais que los tiene recibe mas info de lo que pasa??

[Iosef]

Eso es.

Puedes tener un satelite y controlar la posición de una flota enemiga sin tener que poner un avión en el aire.. pasarle los datos a tu submarino, que tira sus misiles antibuque sobre un posición sin descubrirse. La flota enemiga no ha visto nada sus radares ni sonares indican nada de nada. Los misiles vuelan hasta un punto y ahí abren su radares, fijan blancos.. y hundes un crucero de pasajeros.

[lecrop]

... y hundes un crucero de pasajeros.

Eso ha sido siempre así, hay que respetar las viejas tradiciones marinas.

[Blas de Lezo]

Noticias frescas:

Lanzamiento en otoño de este año:

Re: release please
by Dimitris » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:27 am

Fall 2013 it is.
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Fuente muy fiable:
http://www.warfaresims.com/forum/viewto ... 183#p49623

[lolopedo]

Grandisima noticia.

[nomada_squadman45]

Joer no podrian sacarlo en julio??? las nuevas hornadas de abogados matrimoniales a finales de año son los repetidores... sus vais a dejar hasta las pelotillas de la raja del culo

[Iosef]

Ninguna novedad mas.. algo que podáis decir sin matar después de Nomada.

[Bender]

Fall es otoño en inglés americano.
"Fall es final de" en inglés británico.

No pienso preguntar a Dimitris qué inglés gusta de hablar, que no quiero distraerle de su trabajo, pero sería mejor traducir "antes del año que viene", si no luego vienen los disgustos

[Dimitris]

Let's just say it's coming very soon

When we get the OK from our PR team we'll announce the release date in public. So no worries, you won't miss it.

[lolopedo]

Let's just say it's coming very soon

When we get the OK from our PR team we'll announce the release date in public. So no worries, you won't miss it.

Thnks Dimitris, very soon is tomorrow?

[Dimitris]

That would be telling