¿Qué ves?

[Djiaux]

Que chungo, parecen M60 contra T-72 rusos, se los hubieran comido.

El buen rollito que sería pasar por ahí con todas las bestias esas mirandose.

[Izan]

Friedrichstrasse. Check Point Charlie. 1961. El viejo Berlín, por supuesto. No se ven, pero enfrente había carros soviéticos...

Efectivamente! Concretamente el dia 27 de octubre de 1961... Estuvieron las cosas muy, muy cerquita de saltar por los aires aquel dia.

Ya que Kal cede el turno, yo tambien lo hago. Turno para el primero que llegue.

Os dejo un texto al respecto... Tengo un video de los carros aproximandose al punto de control. A ver si lo corto y lo subo al youtube. Impresionante...



Diplomatic incident of October 1961

The four powers governing Berlin ( the United States, the United Kingdom, France, and the Soviet Union) had agreed at Potsdam that their personnel would not be stopped by German police in any zone. But on 22 October 1961, just two months after the construction of the Wall, the US Mission Chief, E. Allan Lightner, was stopped in his car (which had occupation force license plates) while going to a theatre in East Berlin. General Lucius D. Clay, Kennedy's Special Adviser in West Berlin, decided to demonstrate American resolve.

Clay responds
Clay sent an American diplomat, Albert Hemsing, to probe the border. While probing in a diplomatic car, Hemsing was stopped by East German transport police asking to see his passport. Once his identity became clear, military police were rushed in. The East German Transport Police escorted the diplomatic car as it drove into East Berlin. The shocked GDR police got out of the way. The car continued and the soldiers returned to West Berlin. A British diplomat — apparently either out of the loop or attempting to conciliate — was stopped the next day and just handed over his passport, and Clay was furious.

Perhaps this contributed to his decision to make the attempt again: on 27 October 1961, Mr. Hemsing again approached the zonal boundary in a diplomatic car. But Clay did not know how the Soviets would respond, so just in case, he had brought tanks with an infantry battalion to the nearby Tempelhof airfield. To everyone's relief the same routine was played out as before. The US troops and Jeeps went back to West Berlin, and the tanks waiting behind also went home.

Tank stand-off
Soviet tanks face U.S. tanks at Checkpoint Charlie, 1961-10-27Immediately afterwards, 33 Soviet tanks drove to the Brandenburg Gate. Curiously, Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev claimed in his memoirs that as he understood it, the American jeeps had seen the Soviet tanks coming and retreated. Col. Jim Atwood, then Commander of the US Military Mission to West Berlin, disagreed in later statements.

Ten of these tanks continued to Friedrichstraße, and stopped just 50 to 100 yards (46 to 91 metres) from the Checkpoint. The US tanks turned back towards the Checkpoint, stopping an equal distance from it on the American side. And they just waited. From the 27th at 17:00 until the 28th at about 11:00, the respective troops faced each other.

As per standing orders, both groups of tanks were loaded. The US Garrison in West Berlin, then NATO, and finally the US Strategic Air Command (SAC), were brought to increased alert (Defense Condition 3?). Both groups of tanks had orders to fire when fired upon. If there had been a negligent discharge, the consequences might have been very serious, although both superpowers' leaders understood that Berlin was not worth general war.[citation needed]

Stand-off resolved
Khrushchev and U.S. President John F. Kennedy agreed (according to one source, via a channel established just a month before) to reduce tensions by withdrawing the tanks. The Soviet checkpoint had direct communications to General Anatoly Gribkov at Soviet Army High Command, who in turn was on the phone to Khrushchev. The US checkpoint contained a Military Policeman on the telephone to the HQ of the US Military Mission in Berlin, which in turn was in communication with the White House. Kennedy offered to go easy over Berlin in the future in return for the Soviets removing their tanks first. Thinking they had won a political victory, the Soviets agreed. In reality Kennedy was very much in favor of the Wall: "It's not a very nice solution, but a wall is a hell of a lot better than a war."[1]

A Soviet tank moved 5 yards (metres) backwards first; then an American followed suit. One by one the tanks withdrew. But Gen. Bruce Clarke, US Commander in the FRG (Federal Republic of Germany: West Germany), was said to have been concerned about Clay's conduct and Clay returned to retirement in May 1962. Gen. Clarke's assessment may, however, have been incomplete: Clay's firmness had a great effect on the German population, led by Berlin Mayor Willy Brandt and FRG Chancellor Konrad Adenauer.

[Kal]

Venga, yo mismo.

[Kal]

No se ve la foto?? Es demasiado rebuscado??

[Kal]

Una pista:

Hay dos norteamericanos y un cubano sobre el carro. Sus nombres son intrascendentes, con el del carro vale.

[El_Rocho]

Marmon Herrington CTMS-ITBI

3 man medium tank. 8 were acquired in 1942 through the Lend-Lease program after Cuba declared war on Germany. At least 5 were still operational In January 1959 when Castro defeated Batista and took control of Cuba. These tanks were used for training and eventually scrapped after Soviet aid began in the 1960's. Cuban army officers considered these vehicles poorly made, the same feelings as US army officers had.

[El_Rocho]

Cedo el turno debido a "causas de fuerza mayor"

[Kal]

Hala!!! El turno para quien quiera poner una fotillo.

[Komsomol]

¿Que veis?

[Komsomol]

No es de la familia de los Merks, es un derivado de un carro anterior no israelí, vamos creo yo.

[Iosef]

Diria que es un APC para ingenieros Nakpadon, basado en el chasis del carro Centurion.



Las IDF han hecho cosas similares basándose en T-55s y Merkavas: Achzarit y Namera respectivamente.

[Komsomol]

Es un Nakpadon Iosef, es tu turno.

Si está basado en el chasis del centurion, y si es un APC de los ingenieros.

Saludos

[Iosef]

Gracias Kom.


Que ves?

[Komsomol]

A mi eso me parece un Stryker MGS (Mobile Gun System ) visto desde atrás. El cañon que incorpora es de 105 mm.

Saludos

[Iosef]

Premio para el caballero. Tu turno de nuevo.